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What to Say About Guns?

Last week, a gunman on Virginia Tech's campus killed 32 people. The debate has been on since then — should there be more restrictions on guns? What can we do to avoid another Virginia Tech?

After the shooting at the Amish school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania last year, those words were substituted instead — what can be done to stop the next Nickel Mines? It happens over and over again. Nickel Mines was the next Columbine, Virginia Tech was the next Nickel Mines. People keep killing each other, and depending on what's available to them at the time, some use more exotic or deadly weaponry than others.

Most of the political discussion last week concerned what Democrats will do legislatively as a response to the Virginia Tech killings. There have been numerous calls to increase restrictions, to write new laws making it harder to buy guns, or to reinstate the assault weapons ban passed by the Clinton administration in 1994, which expired in 2004.

Democrats are apparently considering legislation to force improvements in mental health reporting to the federal database which your identity is checked against when you purchase a gun, and because of how it is couched it may receive some modicum of support. I don't know that it will definitely pass — it will be labeled an expansion of federal regulations on gun ownership, which it is — but it might. It is hard to argue against the logic that mentally disturbed people should not have access to firearms, but you watch. The argument will be made, and it will be made by the NRA, and some hardline Republicans, and possibly even some Democrats from the South, for whom voting to increase federal regulations on guns is the functional equivalent of of declaring allegiance with al-Qaeda.

AP finds that Americans are divided along partisan, geographical, and gender lines when it comes to guns, and the opinions haven't changed much in the last 20 years or so. A majority of Americans aren't in favor of increasing gun control laws even in the immediate aftermath of the Virginia Tech killings. In doing research for this article, I came across more websites pondering why liberals hate guns than I would have reasonably expected, and quite a few by liberals who support and love guns, which wasn't surprising. Even among Democrats polled by AP last week on gun control, only sixty percent — the same percentage as women — think we should have tighter gun laws. If that's the national saturation (and other polls show it likely to be so), imagine what it might be in El Paso, or Phoenix, or Georgia. Or even Virginia.

I gave a presentation a few weeks ago at the Texas YD convention called "Building Alliances", the central tenet of which was that "Your Issues Don't Matter." I've said it to many volunteers and political neophytes that roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty in trying to get Democrats elected, and I will say it many more times before I hang it up. I also say that it is not enough to win the argument, and that it is not enough to be right; often, this is most true when we are unquestionably right on an issue, much to our chagrin.

Of course guns should be more tightly restricted. They can't be banned altogether; even The Economist recognizes that in its discussion of how not many American politicians are talking about gun control, even after Virginia Tech. But anyone who isn't on the NRA True Believer list understands there's a problem, that seemingly every other week someone goes somewhere with a gun and shoots people who only committed the crime of going to work, or going to class.

When it comes to Democratic politics, or getting Democrats elected, or maintaining a Democratic majority in Congress, our issues as individuals don't matter. Certainly, it is the Democratic Party's stance on some issues that put us where we are today, but not all of them. The Iraq War, Republican corruption, and George Bush's failed leadership gave the Democratic Party a dichotomy to draw, and an agenda with clear priorities set in foreign policy and domestic responsibility. Those were the issues we won on.

Despite the wave that carried many Democrats into office and the general feeling of being tired of Republicans, though, I would argue that any Democrat who managed to win a Congressional seat in the South would have been beaten like an ill-mannered mule if he'd embraced gun control, or any other of the traditionally liberal versions of The Wedge Issue. The same goes for Jim Webb. He is enthusiastically in favor of guns, and we like him just fine. If he'd done everything else the same and added a strong plank advocating the ban of assault weapons, no amount of cred from the rest of his campaign would have saved him.

So, in this case, even in the aftermath of Virginia Tech, even in the aftermath of another senseless shooting, if you're in the business of electing Democrats, gun control can't be your driving motivation. Especially in Texas, gun control cannot be the primary (or even a secondary or tertiary) issue for a candidate. Of course I am speaking generally — you might be able to run on it in Austin, I suppose — but in most places it is as bad as running on a state income tax. Or worse.

I, more than most, think the pattern of gun violence in America is something we could put a serious dent in with laws. That isn't to say that I think guns are the problem. I am convinced that a society in which several people a year go on killing sprees probably has some deep-rooted problems which bear examining. True, guns contribute to the problem, in that they are engineered specifically for killing things, and a great many of them are engineered specifically for killing people; but I also happen to know that if I want to help a candidate craft an effective message that works in Texas, what I think doesn't matter. If I want to volunteer on a campaign, I can't pass out push cards for Senate Candidate X and throw in my own pamphlet about how guns kill people, and help people kill people.

If you want to get guns banned, pursue that, with my heartfelt blessing. But issue politics and electoral politics do not equate to the same thing for Democrats like they do for Republicans. For the GOP, well, that's all they have. For us, it is all that loses us elections, precisely because of how the GOP has structured itself in the last twenty or thirty years. It will eventually prove to be the current Republican Party's undoing, and you can see that every day when you watch the news or read the paper. It still exists as a demarcation within the American electorate, though, and that means Issue Politics must be recognized as a battlefield with a Republican advantage.

The important thing to remember is that a majority creates leadership on the issues, and you have to get the majority before you can begin to truly redirect the river of conversation. In America, the gun debate is lost to conservatives for the foreseeable future. We have many problems to address, but I would argue that in the larger sense of things, Republican leadership is the worst problem we have in Texas, and that should be the primary target for the time being.

The problem behind the problem.

As thinking people who rely on reason and logic, it is imperative that regardless our feelings about guns, we should find work on the root problem. The problem is that homicidal maniacs get guns, regardless of any laws, and occasionally go on shooting sprees, killing innocent people. Guns are not the cause. The issue, is mental health and prevention of violence. The problem is systemic and can't be simplified into the guns/no guns frame.

Steve Southwell
WhosPlayin? Blog: http://www.whosplayin.com

Yeah

I usually feel like you should treat the disease and not the symptom. I realize it is awfully abstract to say "something is societally wrong!" but independent of any political realities, I think there's something weird going on at a social level.

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I believe there are serious deep-rooted problems when dealing with the "gun" issue. I was raised so far in the country, I didn't see one of them ol' automobiles til I hit the big-city, and I think guns are too accessible for the average Joe. There should be extreme limits on which people can own guns. Let's go big government!

The Problems with Gun Control...

First, the Constitution provides Americans with the right to bear arms. Certainly, this was written at a time when it was VERY necessary.

Secondly, the National Rifle Association and other similar organizations are a big and wealthy lobby that interferes with any further progress and intelligent gun control in our nation.

We need to deal with these two issues before moving on towards any substantial gun control in the U.S. Many of our federal, state and local officials carry concealed weapons. Do you think they'll vote for more gun control?

Lastly, as with any issue in our nation we prefer to deal with problems AFTER they occur. Very seldom do we deal with major issues in advance, as preventative maintenance. We, Americans are extremely myopic and self-centered in our development.

The gun issue requires that: we educate our children early about weapons and their danger, to care better for mentally ill and/or despondent individuals and to develop better laws and enforcement of those laws.

Gun control is like illegal immigration: If we really wanted to resolve the problem, we already would have done so.

P

Governance

I ponder from time to time that government is often reactive where it should be proactive. I think there are a lot of areas where this would lead to reasonable or intelligent debate and progress on issues, and has in the past.

Problem solved?

"If we really wanted to resolve the problem, we already would have done so."

Well, I suppose we really wanted to, then, at least in some part; after all, Bill Clinton got the assault weapons ban through Congress back in 1994 as a solid first step. The current administration let this law lapse without renewal in 2004, but clearly we have put stricter controls on gun ownership before. Perhaps we can "resolve" this again.

NYC: The Sullivan Act

For many years (since 1911) New York City has maintained one of the strictest gun control laws anywhere in the nation, The infamous Sullivan Act.

To read about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act

It's a controversial set of laws that is still in effect; however, the issue in NYC is enforcement of the Sullivan Act, meaning, any gun laws are as good as the enforcement of them.

NYC still has many incidents of violence and gun play; however, I would bet that in proportion of population it still is one of the safest cities in the U.S. regarding gun incidents.

What gives you the right?

You allude to the fact that you believe that the Second Amendment has outlived it's purpose. I get the feeling that you would rather see it removed. That being said, would you also agree that we should remove the "Freedom of Religion" from our Constituion as well? Seeing as how, for arguments sake, all terrorists are Muslim, then wouldn't it be a good idea to keep that religion out of our Country?

Guns are not the problem, they never have been, and they never will be the cause behind the murders and violence that is reported on the local news every night. Guns do not commit the crime. The only thing stricter gun laws does is make it harder for the law-abiding citizen to protect themselves, their family, and their property. The criminals will still get the firearms they intend to use in the commission of whatever crime they plan to commit. Numerous studies have been done since state governments, as well as local governments, relaxed gun laws or enacted some sort of concealed carry law enabling an armed society, that show violent crimes have actually decreased over the past decade in their respected municipalities.

The reason, you ask? Criminals are less likely to act out if there is that uncertainty as to whether or not their intended victim is armed with a means to protect themselves. It is the uncertainty that curbs violence and violent crime, not the gun itself. Personally, I believe that open carry of a firearm should be allowed by any law abiding citizen who chooses to do so. No longer would their be an uncertainty, rather the would be criminal would know that if they commit a crime, they are surrounded by 5, 10, 20 armed citizens. I would bet that would be a huge deterrent. It worked in the old days when it was the norm to see a firearm on every man's hip in public.

I'm not saying that we have to regress 100 years in order to make this Country a safer place, but think about this with an open mind. Had there been someone in the classroom at Virginia Tech with a loaded pistol, 32 people wouldn't have had to die. How many lives could have been saved that dreadful day? What if several teachers had had a gun at Columbine High School? Gun Control Advocates keep concentrating on taking away one of our freedoms, freedoms that define our great Country and make it such a desireable place to live, that they are blinded to the facts and common sense that "We the People" don't want the changes that they are trying to force feed us. Why? Because they THINK they know better than the rest of us? I do not need a babysitter to tell me what to wear, what to eat, what to drink, or what chores to do. I think the Constitution should be interpreted literally, and that our rights as American Citizens should not be infringed upon. Oops, was that a quote from the Second Amendment? "...shall not be infringed upon."

Wake up America! If it weren't for guns, what language would we be speaking right now? Japanese? German? If it weren't for our law abiding citizens having firearms, and practicing with those firearms, we would never have been as capable as we have been in the past and present to answer to those who would do us harm. Because of our barbaric society, as one blogger put it, we are the most respected country in the world, and the true barbarians (terrorists and the like) are fearful of our wrath. So unless you would prefer to eat your noodles and rice with chopsticks, say thanks to the veterans who fought to keep this Country intact and preserve our freedoms, and quit trying to take away our freedoms. This Country's biggest enemy, most fearful enemy, is not the terrorists abroad, rather the politicians who believe they know what's best for 200 million citizens without consulting those citizens first. It's time we focused on electing the people who listen to the people, instead of electing someone jsut because they call themselves a Democrat or a Republican. Elect the person, not the party.

Saying that guns cause people to kill other people, is like blaming the pencil for all misspelled words. Maybe we should ban pencils?

Calling Illegal Aliens, "Undocumented Workers", is like calling your local drug dealer an "Undocumented Pharmicist".

Pro-active

I use this word in almost every issue dealing with the government, big or small. It really is the key to becoming successful in any aspect the government deals, especially gun-control, but also terrorism, health-care, and education.

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